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This was a fascinating article, as I have come to expect from De Civitate. It is very timely, as I am likely to find my ballot in my mailbox when I next check it. However, I have to say, I often found myself deeply confused by the conclusions you came to in the course of your arguments.

It’s possible this is because there is a substantial gulf in our moral frameworks. Though I am not a San Francisco-style rationalist utilitarian, I am almost certainly have moral intuitions that allow for more cooperation with evil than you do. I was uncertain of how to go about trying to find out more, whether I could formulate a clarifying question (or several) that would help me at least figure out if I am disagreeing with you or just failing to understand the argument.

On consideration, I think focusing on Sophie’s Choice is the most productive path. Despite following along, and almost entirely agreeing with, your section explaining the foundations of the Catholic view of cooperation with evil, I don’t see how Sophie counts as providing any material cooperation.

What is it that Sophie is helping the Nazi do? Perhaps I missed it, but I don’t recall anywhere in the article where you actually state this directly (and, believe it or not, in addition to reading your whole article, I went back to re-read the relevant sections looking for this). What follows is my attempts to go through all the possible ways I could imagine Sophie being charged with material aid to the Nazi and why I think they don’t apply. In the end, I think Sophie makes a heroic sacrifice rather than a regretful compromise with evil.

First, Sophie did not physically deliver her child to the Nazi – the children were both forcefully taken.

Argument: I have not read the novel, and only watched the clip. It looks to me like both children have been ripped from her at the point that she makes the choice. It doesn’t look to me like she is passing her daughter over. Even if that is what is happening in the clip, does the whole case really hang on this? In a hypothetical Sophie’s Choice where my interpretation of the scene happened, does your whole position on the issue switch?

Second, Sophie does not operate, even under duress, any of the physical mechanisms by which her daughter gets killed. The Nazis do not ask her to shoot her daughter to save her son, or even so much as press a button.

Argument: I think this is just straightforwardly indisputable, except by an overly-literal and expansive sense of “physical mechanism” by which we conceive of the effect of her voice’s soundwaves hitting their ears and making chemical changes in their brain and so on. You know what I mean here – I’m talking triggers and buttons, not making a full account of a physicalist model of the mind.

Third, and the closest I can come to imagining, is that Sophie somehow helps the Nazi make a choice between which of her children to kill. An analogy here, to use your other primary example, is the roommate who helps the rapist decide which girl at the party to victimize.

Argument: This strikes me as also not very plausible. The Nazi has already decided to kill both her children. Her words are “take my daughter” but they have the same intention and effect as “let me keep my son.” As you say in the first section, “Sophie has saved her son at the cost of her daughter… She did not gas her child; she made a choice in order to save one of her children.”

Later on, you go further, saying that her choice was purely illusory all along. “Sophie never actually had a choice. The S.S. guard gave her the illusion of choice. He held 100% of the power. If Sophie had refused to pick a child, he might very well have followed through on his threat to kill them both. Then again, he might have spared one, or both. Likewise, once Sophie did choose one of her children, he might have killed both anyway, or killed the one Sophie didn’t choose. The power was always, entirely, in his hands.”

Given this, how is Sophie making a material contribution to the Nazi’s actions? We admit that her words did not empower or encourage the Nazi. The most they could have done is please the Nazi. To quote you again: “The only reason the S.S. guard gave Sophie the illusion of choice was to trick Sophie into immediate material cooperation with the murder of her own daughter. In the book, it is especially clear that the guard hates Sophie for her belief in Christ, and wants to strike at her by coaxing her into the greatest blasphemy of all.”

Are we truly going to say that denying the Nazi the satisfaction of this cruelty against a mother is worth her son’s life? That’s the moral? Let no evil-doer be amused, even if it means the death of your children?

Conclusion: I don’t see it. Perhaps it is so blindingly obvious that it need not be stated explicitly. Is simply the act of choosing to save one over the other (or choosing to save one instead of neither) sufficient to count as providing material cooperation? That’s all that I am left with, but I can’t imagine how that can be right.

Allow me an analogy:

Sophie and her two children are fleeing the Nazis, into the arms of the advancing Red Army, who will save them. However, the Nazis, determined to kill as many as possible before they are defeated, send 2 soldiers off to catch them. Each Nazi soldier is able to wrestle away one of her children and run off with them. Luckily, she spots a pistol on the ground, dropped by a different Nazi during their retreat. Sophie grabs the gun, knowing her only chance of saving her children is to kill or injure the fleeing Nazis carrying them off, she is too slow and weak to catch them. She picks up the weapon, but to her dismay, there is only one round remaining. She can’t kill both Nazis with one shot, so she has to choose – save one child, leaving the other to be taken, or do nothing and allow both Nazis to escape with both her children. She shoots the one carrying her son.

Does Sophie act wrongly here? What’s the moral difference with this situation vs. the one in Sophie’s Choice? To make the point more starkly, how is shooting the bullet to kill the Nazi carrying her son to his death different from shooting her words to kill the Nazi’s intention to carry her son to his death?

I have other objections to arguments in the article, but I think this is really at the core of our disagreement. I cannot understand how you can judge Sophie’s actions as material cooperation with evil, even granting your entire framework as laid out in the sections on Cooperation With Evil.

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Phil H's avatar

Wow, James, that's impressive. I'm highly tempted to call that masterful tutorial in and analysis of Catholic moral theology, a classic exercise of Catholic moral overthinking, even if I largely agree with your eventual conclusion. I will say the "Sophie's choice" scenario, given the extreme duress involved, is not that helpful as far as the election is concerned, even if it helpe your background discussion of moral theology.

I generally agree with your description of Trump and Harris. However, we disagree somewhat on your analysis on the choice.

Contrary to your footnote, Kamala Harris has a conventional respect for the rule of law (if likely a risk to executive order overreach, a tendency started by Barack Obama and continued by Joe Biden). However, Kamala harris can't "codify Roe" without Congress passing a bill she could sign. Her executive leeway to promote abortion is therefore limited. All of this to say Kamala Harris cannot substantially commit the grave evil of expanding abortion by herself, making more remote the material cooperation with that evil of anyone voting for her. (If Harris were a Hitler with absolute power to carry out her plans, that would be different).

By contrast, Donald Trump is more than capable of attacking the rule of law all by himself with limited Congressional ability to block him. He will have a list of MAGA faithful to appoint in the executive branch, ready to do whatever he tells them to, placed using acting appointments, which he abused during his first term. he has made clear his desire to weaponize the Justice Department to harrass his "enemies". And then there's the Insurrection Act, which allows the President to call out the military for a broad list of domestic issues mostly at his description -- ripe for abuse. All that increases the material cooperation of any Trump voter, with the evil of attacking the rule of law -- the Constitution.

And that is even before analyzing the evil of attacking the rule of law versus the evil of abortion. I would argue the breakdown of civil order resulting from attacking the rule of law is more dangerous and a greater evil than widespread abortion, even of Roe is "codified". Ancient Rome, for all the evils of slavery and infanticide effectively promoted civil order, allowing the rapid spread of the gospel.

For those reasons, I believe a vote for Kamala Harris can be justified as the lesser evil -- that is, for a voter in a battleground state likely to influence the outcome. (I admit, it's a close call).

But like you, I live in a non-battleground state (Ohio) and I plan to vote for Peter Sonski of the American Solidarity Party. I have no desire to compromise my integrity, or risk my soul, by casting a vote for Harris if I don't absolutely have to. (Hooray for the Electoral College!).

One other comment. You linked to comments by Edward Feser and Steven Greydamus. One the one hand, I was appalled by Feser's acknowledging Trump's attempt to overturn the election, only to dismiss it). OTOH, Greydamus's approach is much closer to mine. A well-formed conscience, prayer and common sense, rather than a detailed moral analysis, suffices for most situations, including voting, which is almost always very remote material cooperation with whatever evil a candidate wants to do.

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